Re: [Hess-ap] HESS AP call Friday, April 27

Hi, No worries… I had missed (or forgot about) the decision to use the last Friday. This is indeed very helpful. Maybe we can also add the AP meetings to the HESS agenda on confluence to avoid collisions with other calls? Best regards, Fabian --------------------------------------------- Fabian Schüssler CEA Irfu DPhP Bât. 141, 153b 91191 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex, France Tel.: +33 1 69 08 30 20 Homepage<http://www.multimessenger-astronomy.com/> + Astro-COLIBRI<https://astro-colibri.com/> Le 25 mai 2022 à 11:40, Stefan Wagner <swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de>> a écrit : Dear Fabian, thanks for the notes. I had most of the input from you based on our interaction and your WG meeting this monday. Apologies for the typo in my last set of minutes (which gave the wrong date) We actually discussed in February that we have a regular spot (9:30 on the last Friday of the month), which we had followed in Feb, March, April and the forthcoming meeting date (27/5) being advertised since a little while on https://hess-confluence.desy.de/confluence/display/HESS/Meetings+of+the+Ast… The 9:30 slot was the compromise set by the doodle https://terminplaner.dfn.de/oQvZRICvfFgbLba8 a few months ago, but we can certainly revisit that any time. but I understand that my last minutes had a typo, announcing it for the 20th. In any event, the one after next will be on May 24, 9:30 best regards, Stefan Dear Stefan, Unfortunately I won’t be available this Friday, so please find a few comments below. In general: could we either get back to using a fixed day every month (previously we had reserved the first Friday of the month) or fix these meetings via quick polls among the conveners? I guess you understand that it is hard to squeeze in a meeting with only a few days notice… Status projects (tasks), data sets & legacy projects Nothing major to report from the Transients WG. Analyses of recent ToOs are pretty much up-to-date. A few (mainly GRB and AGN) ToOs taken over the last years are still missing detailed offline analyzes. More manpower is needed there, but we are hoping for new students starting in autumn. Updates on projects/task leaders No changes. Status papers (ICRC 2021) Two neutrino ToO papers are still in the pipeline: * IC-201114A: delayed due to the lead author leaving and the responsible for hadronic modeling recently announcing to no longer be available. Matteo Cerutti agreed to jump in to revive the latter. * The joint paper between IceCube and all IACTs to summarize our neutrino ToO is delayed because several key people left, were unemployed, or changed jobs/countries/etc. over the last months.It also took a long time to agree on all relevant analysis parameters and get the various analyses approved within all participating collaborations.The paper draft is advancing well now. At the moment the main missing pieces are Fermi-LAT analyses (promised by Sara Busson) and detailed IceCube localisation maps of the covered events. We try to boost the effort with bi-weekly meetings. Status presentations in Gamma-2022 TDE AT 2021uqv: analyses and cross-checks are finalized; A&R review is ongoing and a WT talk is foreseen at the next part of the collaboration meeting. Plans for 2nd extension phase ? Get as much ToOs/detections as possible ;-) In case you cannot join, please send mail to this list about the plans (reservations for slots) for your group for the Paris meeting. If possible: Transient session NOT on Wednesday June 5. A slot for a WT talk for AT 2021uqv Other talks being collected on confluence<https://hess-confluence.desy.de/confluence/display/HESS/Astrophysics+Sessions+for+1st+semester+2022+Collaboration+Meeting>. Best regards, Fabian Best regards, Stefan LSW Königstuhl lädt Sie zu einem geplanten Zoom-Meeting ein. Thema: HESS Astrophysics Department Uhrzeit: 27.Mai 2022 09:30 AM Amsterdam, Berlin, Rom, Stockholm, Wien Zoom-Meeting beitreten https://zoom.us/j/97440652734?pwd=NUMyMm9qb1lpMWU4S0VINWw2eVBodz09 Meeting-ID: 974 4065 2734 Kenncode: 358558 Schnelleinwahl mobil +496938079883,,97440652734#,,,,*358558# Deutschland +496938079884,,97440652734#,,,,*358558# Deutschland Einwahl nach aktuellem Standort +49 69 3807 9883 Deutschland +49 69 3807 9884 Deutschland +49 69 5050 0951 Deutschland +49 69 5050 0952 Deutschland +49 695 050 2596 Deutschland +49 69 7104 9922 Deutschland +1 253 215 8782 Vereinigte Staaten (Tacoma) +1 301 715 8592 Vereinigte Staaten (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 Vereinigte Staaten (Chicago) +1 346 248 7799 Vereinigte Staaten (Houston) +1 646 558 8656 Vereinigte Staaten (New York) +1 669 900 9128 Vereinigte Staaten (San Jose) Meeting-ID: 974 4065 2734 Kenncode: 358558 Ortseinwahl suchen: https://zoom.us/u/ad2eMpmtcD Dear all, thanks to those who could be present and once more apologies for the short notice to all the others. the following is a combination of minutes and report on follow-up actions from my side: - thanks for the input to the 1st part of the collaboration meeting. We again had a good set of interesting talks. Please let me know if there is feedback from any of our working groups on the part1 of the meeting. - please start planning ahead for the second part of the meeting, encourage people to sign up for talks (same confluence page as for part 1). Please also discuss in your groups whether you would like to suggest anything special as part of the Paris meeting in June. - The 2021 ICRC confluence page https://hess-confluence.desy.de/confluence/display/HESS/ICRC+2021 tables a 'List of submitted contributions' . I colour-coded the 'Publication Status' column according to whether or not the journal publication that was meant to be submitted shortly after the conference has actually been submitted. Please check, edit if necessary and make me aware about wrong colour-coding. Most importantly: Please discuss with any team of your working group that is charge of one of the red-coded projects what needs to be done to get the paper published soon. Please also reflect about why we had been too optimistic in many cases such that we can avoid such delays in the future. - For the gamma2022 confluence page https://hess-confluence.desy.de/confluence/display/HESS/Gamma+2022+and+summ… I colour-coded WG responsibilities. Pls check for completeness and correct attribution of WGs. The forum group will iterate with you on the steps in managing the contributions after their meeting this Friday. Please consider all abstracts from your group and assess the likelihood that a submission-ready draft of the main journal publication exists at the time of the meeting. You may want to go through the contributions and/or reply the recording and/or talk to the project leaders. We may want to warn anyone that is likely to fail at an early stage. - As discussed in the EC we would like to focus access to HESS confluence on active and associate members. Access by outgoing members will be limited and/or disabled in a more rigorous manner than in the past. As a result all projects ('tasks') shall be managed by a current HESS member. We do not plan to change the policy that outgoing members may continue working on projects that had been involved in prior to their departure, but we want all live projects to have an active member being responsible. Please revisit the list of ongoing projects in your group, check which ones are managed by former members and consider candidates among current members for taking responsibility. Projects that are dormant in not having an active member that is participating should be identified as such and we ought to discuss the fate case-by-case within the next few months. This is not a very urgent matter, but we aim to be clear about the responsibilities after the Paris meeting. Some WGs may want to revisit the group status and the status of all projects in an overview talk in Paris - possibly leading into a discussion about new and dormant projects. We plan for an AP meeting on Friday, May 20, 9:30. Please let me know if this would not work out for you. Best regards, Stefan ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: zoom details, brief HESS AP call Friday, April 29 From: "Stefan Wagner" <swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de>> Date: Wed, April 27, 2022 20:33 To: hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear all, for all, who can make it, connection details are given below. I booked the mtg starting 9:00, but we will start 9:30 - and I will have to leave @ 10:00 For all others - I will send around the procedures that we will iterate on Friday after the meeting. Best regards, Stefan ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: brief HESS AP call Friday on treatment of conference abstracts From: "Stefan Wagner" <swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:swagner@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de>> Date: Wed, April 27, 2022 14:58 To: hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear all, it became apparent in the ongoing meeting that there was some uncertainty among members about the procedures concerning the summer conferences. I have not followed the discussions in all group meetings, but got the impression that in a few cases the suggestions for abstracts were not scrutinized. While it is too late to iterate the procedures for abstract submission of gamma2022, we should briefly iterate the next steps asap to minimize potential disappointments and support a maximum number of teams in their plans. For those of you who would have a chance to connect, we will have a BRIEF (30') meeting on Friday, April 30 9:30. Zoom details will follow asap. The main worry is recurrent: Only half of the presentations given at the 2021 ICRC that were meant to also be addressed in main journal publications led to journal publications so far. We clearly have been too optimistic about accepting claims of the presence of submission-ready manuscripts. We also learnt the hard way that this has negative effect on harvesting returns for the work involved (ie HESS results being presented on the ICRC being used in other publications without referencing HESS journal publications). We obviously have to change policies. We clearly do not want to stop the enthusiasm of people to publish, but we ought to manage the resources. I am worried that less than half of the abstracts envisioned for gamma2022 would have a submission-ready manuscript and would hence have to be withdrawn if they were selected for a presentation. We should hence make sure that we concentrate efforts on the ones that have the highest chances to actually be allowed to be presented. The other requirement - presenting preliminary results at most one time, implies that we will not present anything that has already been shown unless the corresponding paper has been submitted to a journal. Best regards, Stefan -- Hess-ap mailing list Hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de<mailto:Hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de><mailto:Hess-ap@lsw.uni-heidelberg.de> https://srv1n.lsw.uni-heidelberg.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hess-ap